Evolution Hoedown
Ok I’m starting a new thread so it doesn’t get lost. Let’s stay on the (ick) evolution train here for a sec. Kelly admonished me for wanting to believe that Americans weren’t morons. Fair enough, but when I questioned the accuracy of the Gallup poll he cited, I think he missed my point.
I agree with you, bub. And it’s pretty friggin likely that I think less of Americans than even you. Not a contest, however, that I’d really want to engage in.
It’s true. I really do want to believe that we as a species deserve thumbs and eyes on the front, not sides, of our heads. But I daily see that it is a vain desire.
My main point, however poorly illustrated, was that Gallup polls are shit.
The Gallup poll that was cited in the Nat. Geo. article Kelly cited surveyed 1,016 people by telephone in February 2001. That’s 1,016 people in a country with a current population of 294,784,652. To be fair, that’s a current number. The 2000 census put us at 281,421,906. So, being generous, Gallup surveyed .000036 of the population at the time. According to Gallup, that creates only a 3% margin of error. But not if you look at all the factors.
Participants were selected at random—from a machine that direct-dials phone numbers from across the country. This allows it to include both listed and unlisted numbers. Once a household answers, they ask for someone who is over 18 and willing to be surveyed.
While this does allow for what is technically a random sampling, it doesn’t necessarily allow for a REPRESENTATIVE sampling—especially not anymore. Many people ages 18-35—especially those in the demographic that includes those who would respond that they believe Darwin was right—no longer have land lines—they have cell phones. Most of these cell phone numbers are not on direct-dial lists, as they don’t go through the primary phone service provider in an area. Granted, this is a trend that is on the rise at present—4 years after the poll. But it’s been a trend since the late 1990s.
Additionally—who are the people who are home to receive calls, and willing to take the time for a survey, assuming they do have a land line? For the most part, you will find retirees and stay-at-home parents—segments of the population that, typically, lean to the conservative side of the spectrum.
Language also plays a part in the outcome of polls. Answers to questions can be determined by the way the questions are asked. You’ll find the most egregious of these in “push polls,” popularized by Karl Rove and the evil genius Lee Atwater. These are the kinds of questions that ask, “Do you agree with a woman’s right to murder her unborn child?”
Typically, Gallup doesn’t ask those kinds of loaded questions. But even in their poll, about a quarter of those who replied that they were creationists indicated that they agreed that humans developed over a period of time. And, of those who claimed “evolution,” about a quarter said that they felt God had some hand in the process. Wording is everything, especially when you’re dealing nuances of understanding and belief.
All of this said, Creationists are whacked. And there are way too many of them in what is, for the moment, the top of the heap of the free world.
It’s a reality we’re going to have to deal with, yes. But it’s not as cut-and-dried as the Gallup numbers make it seem. I agree with Kelly, that we’ve got our work cut out for us. Logical arguments don’t work when you’re talking ideology.
And that’s probably actually our in. Fuck logic. Fuck trying to convince. Fuck reasoned argument, and the equanimity that the Left embodies. Let’s circle the wagons that are carrying people who can read, and protect ourselves.
In The Stranger last week, they argued that it’s not blue and red states, it’s blue cities and red ruralities. It IS going to be a culture war. Cities have everything that reasoned people want. We’ve walled them before, let’s wall them again. Cut off the ruralities and they’ll wither like the hollow dreams they are.
I wish I were joking.


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Lest we forget Joshua chapter 6. We build walls around our city, and that will give Red states (who, we must remember, are better armed than us) the Biblical wherewithall to blow trumpets and kill all of our livestock:
1 Now Jericho was straitly shut up because of the children of Israel: none went out, and none came in.
2 And the LORD said unto Joshua, See, I have given into thine hand Jericho, and the king thereof, and the mighty men of valour.
3 And ye shall compass the city, all ye men of war, and go round about the city once. Thus shalt thou do six days.
4 And seven priests shall bear before the ark seven trumpets of rams' horns: and the seventh day ye shall compass the city seven times, and the priests shall blow with the trumpets.
5 And it shall come to pass, that when they make a long blast with the ram's horn, and when ye hear the sound of the trumpet, all the people shall shout with a great shout; and the wall of the city shall fall down flat, and the people shall ascend up every man straight before him.
6 And Joshua the son of Nun called the priests, and said unto them, Take up the ark of the covenant, and let seven priests bear seven trumpets of rams' horns before the ark of the LORD.
7 And he said unto the people, Pass on, and compass the city, and let him that is armed pass on before the ark of the LORD.
8 And it came to pass, when Joshua had spoken unto the people, that the seven priests bearing the seven trumpets of rams' horns passed on before the LORD, and blew with the trumpets: and the ark of the covenant of the LORD followed them.
9 And the armed men went before the priests that blew with the trumpets, and the rereward came after the ark, the priests going on, and blowing with the trumpets.
10 And Joshua had commanded the people, saying, Ye shall not shout, nor make any noise with your voice, neither shall any word proceed out of your mouth, until the day I bid you shout; then shall ye shout.
11 So the ark of the LORD compassed the city, going about it once: and they came into the camp, and lodged in the camp.
12 And Joshua rose early in the morning, and the priests took up the ark of the LORD.
13 And seven priests bearing seven trumpets of rams' horns before the ark of the LORD went on continually, and blew with the trumpets: and the armed men went before them; but the rereward came after the ark of the LORD, the priests going on, and blowing with the trumpets.
14 And the second day they compassed the city once, and returned into the camp: so they did six days.
15 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that they rose early about the dawning of the day, and compassed the city after the same manner seven times: only on that day they compassed the city seven times.
16 And it came to pass at the seventh time, when the priests blew with the trumpets, Joshua said unto the people, Shout; for the LORD hath given you the city.
17 And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the LORD: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent.
18 And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it.
19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the LORD: they shall come into the treasury of the LORD.
20 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city.
21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.22 But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her.
23 And the young men that were spies went in, and brought out Rahab, and her father, and her mother, and her brethren, and all that she had; and they brought out all her kindred, and left them without the camp of Israel.
24 And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD.
25 And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel even unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho.
26 And Joshua adjured them at that time, saying, Cursed be the man before the LORD, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho: he shall lay the foundation thereof in his firstborn, and in his youngest son shall he set up the gates of it.
27 So the LORD was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country.
But with no music in the schools (praise jesus), none of them will be able to blow the trumpets.
In The Stranger last week, they argued that it’s not blue and red states, it’s blue cities and red ruralities. It IS going to be a culture war. Cities have everything that reasoned people want. We’ve walled them before, let’s wall them again. Cut off the ruralities and they’ll wither like the hollow dreams they are.
Problem 1: We (Cities) get most of our food from rual areas.
Solution: Fuck em. Fuck them and their 'god'.
I'm serious when I say fuck them. They're breeding at a higher rate than we blue states are. Fuck them and get their genetics up to par with us. So, we should just start going down state and fucking like mad. Fuck every fertile female and give them some blue chromosomes.
Well, it couldn't hurt...
I'm no statistician, or polling expert, but I'm familiar with the points you make. The measure of a particular polling technique's accuracy is usually only evident after an event like an election. Since we hold elections fairly regularly, pollsters are in a good position to check their methodologies against verifiable realities and stay, if not ahead of the curve, at least within sight of it. Does Gallup suck because its methodologies are flawed (more so than other pollsters, that is) or simply because it's a polling organization?
Stepping away from the reliability of polls for a moment, the salient aspect of the evolution post – at least to me – is that a great many people are choosing to believe in fictive creation mythologies. Evolution is still treaded upon only lightly in schools (if at all), minimized as "just a theory", blatantly contradicted in religious services and education, and generally misunderstood by many. Given these realities, it's hardly surprising that people are more comfortable with Adam & Eve.
It's true. An astonishing number of people are choosing the perceived bliss of ignorance. One reason the inaccuracy of the polls is an issue is because the "random sample" doesn't address density.
We've lost federal for a while--and there's very little any of us little people have in our powers to do to change it. However, we CAN effect change on a local level--Cities, Counties, school districts. You don't like what they're teaching (or not) in schools? Go to your local schol board meetings-- be heard-- run-- whatever. In all these issues, you're more likely to find likeminded people, and o be heard, in a city. Yes, there's more opposition as well, and there's always the risk of losing your lunch on madison ave--but the odds of success are higher.
As for food and guns-- an urban system is entirely sustainable--and, given that it's not Big Farm, is actually much healthier--sure, we won't be able to SuperSize quite so much, but that really shouldn't bother us. And guns.--yes, they've got more guns, and more babies. but we also control more of their tax dollars. Once their power goes out and the roads shut down, they won't be able to get to us anyway--and not only wil all the children die form vaccinations they don't have, but any that survive won't have any educators to help them learn how to use their rudimentary tools.
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